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i dont want to be politically incorrect, but... WTF IS THIS? WHAT IS THE POINT IN BOOSTING TRACKING WHEN BLASTER BOATS STILL CANT GET CLOSE ENOUGH?

the issue at hand is this:

when a gallente ship jumps and catches a minnie ship, it still does about the same dps. the only difference - the minnie ship has started applying 100% of its dps and has been hitting you perfectly during your approach.

After 35 pages i really think the only possible solution will be

=> minmatar with hybrids and gallente with projectiles.
(Giving Aretha the rifle and Bolt the shotgun)


The minmatar playstile (Shield&Speed) would perfectly fit with blasters. hit hard and run ... While gallente (Armor Tank) likes the range control which projectiles do provide. Easy fix.

Whoever had the idea to give armor tanks short range weapons should receive a falcepalm.
To be fair, in the beginning Ships like the Thorax had a function like the modern cynaball but that is long long in the past....

While most people see these changes as a Gallente boost, let's not forget that Caldari use hybrids and could use a little love too.

The role that CCP seems to have envisioned for Carlari ships does not exist.

The Caldari, based on most ship bonuses, are put into the "medium damage from extreme range" role. A role that no longer truely exists on any level of play. This does not just affect railguns, but missiles also. However, I'll focus on hybrids as they are the focus of of this thread and devblog.

Extreme ranges are usually considered 150 - 250 km out, and the Caldari have several ships that can, in theory, reach out and touch someone from those ranges. The real question is why would you want to do this. Considering the simple facts that not everyone flys or enjoys flying Caldari means that several people in any suffeciently large fleet will not be able to shoot from more than about 100 - 120 km. The fleet's optimal range is only as long as the member with the shortest optimal range. This means that any Caldari pilots will be forced to fit for shooting at literally half of their optimals. This means that Caldari could potentially choose a new ammo so that he'd do more damage, but in many cases this can actually lead to a damage reduction or an insignifigant increase in DPS (if not using faction ammo) as spike does do signifigant damage for it's range bonus. Furthermore, at any ranges exceeding the warp range, it is no trouble at all for a covert ops to place himself where the enemy fleet can simply warp to their optimals. With the changes to scanning, this can take any organised fleet as few as about 12 to 13 seconds.

In smaller scale and solo stuff long range just doesn't work because of the range of warp disruptors and scramblers.

The extreme range role simply doesn't (and perhaps cannot) exist

Im trying very hard to deside if your a troll or really this dumb

Or is it a Troll invasion. Or lovers of Minmatar and amar afraid that Gallenteans cease to be whipping boys.

If they could get a bonus to MWD speed boost, blaster-boats could actually get into range.
They wouldn't be the fastest ship naturally, and the speed-boost would be temporary until the cap runs-out.

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What an awesome balance that could bring.
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Thoughts?

with those changes you are limiting there range for more damage which is compounding the issue which is they have no utility. They are good for 1 maybe 2 combat situations and thx to the lack of range cannot adapt to changes in the battle.

Welcome to the main reason nobody uses blasters.

Mini toons are the best because they don't need a lot of support for weapons modules. Tempest can "waste" 3 slots in Gyroestabilizer and even with that win whatever. And can kite his enemy since is faster. Gallente would need Tracking Enhancer, Trackin Computer... and then, to be competitive with the rest of races DPS, should fit the Magnetic Stabilizer.
It's either the master failing philosophy of Gallente or the master overpowered philosopy of Minmatar what makes this. And Amarr is the middle-term with large optimals and cap issues, that needs his pilots to have "a bit" of intelligence and strategy.
Right now, would appreciate more a succesfull Gallente pirate than another one.

There will be always a need for miners and victims.

Problem is in HAC's and BC's and this lvl need to be boosted. Brutix is sucker Myrm is very Good with AC's :)

I think the biggest buff Gallente BS could get would be making the domi look cooler. Then people would actually fly it and realize it's one of the best T1 BS hulls in the game. Certainly on par with the phoon for cost-effectiveness.

Maybe because it's a pretty good idea. ;)


I'm REALLY not sure why you think it's so awful to begin with.
Most of our pissing-match had to do with you telling me how dumb I was for disagreeing with nerfing Rail-range.

I looked-through your post again, and I only see a few arguments against my proposal. All of which don't seem to have much basis, and seem to be formed on false-assuptions.


One said that rails opperate outside of point and logistics range anyway, so buffing thier speed wouldn't help at-all.

I provided you an EFT dmg graph that CLEARLY demonstrates how med rails DO in-fact opperate within long-point range.
So, the way I see it, a med rail-boat would be a very viable kiter if it had a decent speed-buff.
We both know probing mechanics killed large rails. The guns themselves aren't broken. As for PVE, a decent damage buff and fitting req reduction should help to bring them on-par with other systems. (Which is exactly what CCP is proposing, NOW with an added tracking buff too.)


One of your other arguments say that Minmatar ships would fit hybrids and be super OP in the speed dept.

You're right, if a Minmatar ship fit Hybrids, it WOULD be very fast... BUT it has no hull bonuses for Hybrids, so it would have very sub-par dmg, tracking, range, use more cap, etc, etc... So, it's a trade-off. Which seems fair to me.


Your last argument addressed issues that hybrid ships would be OP with a speed-buff.

I explained to you that my proposed speed-buff wouldn't be HUGE, just enough to get balance back-in.
With my proposed speed-buff, if a Gallent ship fit a passive armor tank, all the speed penalties would cause-it to still be slower than most other ships (except maybe armor tanked Amarr, but they have range advantages). If they fit an active armor tank, or shield-tank, without any speed-penalties, they would be average speed. If and only IF they fit minimal-tank and some nanos/speed-rigs, would they then be faster than most ships.
Your suggestion that my proposal would allow hybrid ships to fit huge armor-tanks and still be way faster than everyone else, while burning-around anihilating everything in-sight is NOT what I proposed at-all.

Let's discuss what's wrong with my proposal so I can improve-it into something more-useful.
You rolling your eyes and sighing with dissaproval while making sarcastic comments in attemps to discredit me aren't helping anyone.
We're on the same team, we both want to see Blasters and Rails become more useful. Just because I don't agree with your rail-fix idea, doesn't mean you have to automatically dissagree with my fix-idea.

Playing on sisi at the first second came on live after the patch, I don't have anything looking like your numbers.

Skills, bugs, whatsoever? -I don't know but I really don't have nothing compared with the numbers you just thrown out there.
In fact my numbres are worst.

My mega fitting hasn't changed, only it's dps got a little up very small speed increase and fitting just a little bit easier but nothing remarquable enough to make a dev blog.

On the other side I've clearly noticed Talos can fit a full rack of neutrons (shield fit) just like the nage (witch has a lot better range engagement) but can't fit a full rack of 425mm II ...

Awesome.

Looks like the exact stats with antimatter loaded.

^^ This.
In practice this is important.